Behe and Ramage Debate, Pt. 2: Evolution, ID, and Aquinas

Intelligent Design the Future

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🗓️ 29 August 2022

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Today’s ID the Future continues the conversation between Catholic intelligent design biologist Michael Behe and Catholic theologian Matthew Ramage. Both agree that nature points to a cosmic designer, but Ramage says he prefers, on aesthetic grounds, the idea that the biological realm has the capacity, gifted by God, to evolve on its own without the need for intervention by God. Behe notes that people have different aesthetic predilections, but it’s the scientist’s job not to figure out how he would have preferred things to have happened in nature, but to discover how they actually did come about. Behe also says that while the sun, moon, and stars do move according to fixed natural laws, it doesn’t follow from this that Read More ›

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0:00.0	ID the future
0:05.0	future a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.
0:12.0	Hello I'm Tom Gilson, and today on ID the future, it's the second of three parts of a debate
0:18.0	not often heard in the world of intelligent design and yet an important one.
0:23.2	Michael B. He, author of Darwin's Black Box and other highly influential ID books,
0:29.4	talks with Catholic theologian and philosopher Matthew Ramage.
0:33.4	Their topic is intelligent design in light of Roman Catholicism's
0:37.9	rich intellectual and theological heritage
0:41.1	as represented by Dr Ramage.
0:43.6	It's a discussion of real interest to anyone who wants to think deeply about ID
0:48.8	and biological origins.
0:50.6	They're hosted by Pat Flynn on his Philosophy for the People podcast.
0:55.0	He'll be the first one you hear speaking as we begin this second part.
0:59.0	So again, I want to keep separate things separate because Matt you're a theologian.
1:03.7	We're all Catholics here. So we're kind of like on the grand scheme, we're all in agreement, right?
1:07.6	There's a lot of people who are who are on board with that, right?
1:11.6	And there's a lot of people who still really think that the naturalistic paradigm is like totally supported by Darwinism, right? And that's where I think Mike's project actually is really useful, even if it might not always be super useful to the theologian, it's really useful for the, I guess the wider cultural debate, because let be honest most people most people aren't
1:36.4	gonna have the time nor the interest and I don't want to sound too rude nor
1:41.8	the capacity to understand Aquinas as deantae argument for the existence of God, right?
1:45.5	But there's something very basic and intuitive about the inference from irreducible complexity to intelligent design, right?
1:52.1	It just sort of like people just sort of get that.
1:54.7	Like, kind of, you know, and not to say that it's a,
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