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Find out more at drivepivotal.com slash radio. Hello, welcome back to the double cleanse podcast, a podcast where we talk about the beauty space and the influencer space all in one place.

My name's James Welsh. I am a skincare enthusiast and influencer. I'm Robert Welsh. I'm a professional

maker of artist and also influencer in the sphere of influencing. I said before we start this episode,

I said I was going to say sphere and I supported you through that. And then you took that word away from me. You can say it too. In the sphere of influencer world. You okay? Yeah, you? Yeah, I'm fine. My eyes are getting a bit dry. Makeup all of a sudden, even without SPF in, it's just making my eyes like water and go like really, really red. So if I put a little bit of makeup on before filming, by the time I go downstairs for

sapper, my eyes, my eyes like burning, I feel tired.

That's really, I, listen, I'm not victim blaming.

Right.

But I do feel like the way you apply makeup to yourself is quite unreasonable.

And I do feel maybe, yeah, I feel like maybe you got a bit in your

eye or maybe you're punching your, you know, going a bit hard at it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, I have stopped, because that's what I thought. I was like, am I getting this in my eye? But I now stop, like, up here. I just do my cheeks. And then, like, my nose is lobe your folds. Sorry, one second. You just, you just put makeup on your cheeks, but your

eyes are hurting from makeup. Yeah. Like, no, I feel like, so you know what you wear, you put, you put makeup on your, just, you only put makeup on your cheeks. Well, like, this area and I try and stop just before I get to, like, the bags of my eyes. And that's hurting your eyes. I feel like it's, I feel like there's like fumes coming off my makeup. So as a professional, I feel like it's not the makeup doing that to your eyes. I was sorry for everyone who had to listen to Robert's speak like that then. That was absolutely horrific. My moisture click. I feel like that would be like me putting like cream on my knees and be like, oh my god, my hips. No, come on now.

No, come on now.

Because how's that makeup getting from your cheek? It's not travelling up your face. But the space between your hips and your knees is also nothing like the space between your cheeks and your eyes. I'm not a doctor. I don't claim to be a doctor. Like James is clearly claiming to be. It's just that you can't put makeup on your cheeks and then blame that for the reason your eyes are hurting.

Oh, okay. Well, I'm lying. Is that what you want to hear? I'm lying. I'm done with this now. I'm sorry. That just doesn't make sense to me. Let us know over on our Instagram, if makeup also hurts your eyes when it's on your cheeks, let us know. At the double-clothes podcast. Pop on over at the double-clense podcast. It's really cute. Yeah. We've got clips. Yeah. We've got quotes. We've got James's eyes and pain. So. You know what? Yes. That lip balm is hurting your eyes. Your cheek makeup is hurting your eyes. You know what? Yes. This is why we don't get along anymore. This is why we had to be separated when we're 14 because I'm in a attitude like this. This really goes on today's subject that we'll get on to later after a few other things about firmly supporting each other. Yeah, no, it does. It does, you know. It does, you know. Can I ask you a question? what's when you worked in makeup full time what's the

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