Before Project 2025: How the Right Built Trump’s Power Grab (with David Sirota)
The Oath and The Office
Corey Brettschneider
4.9 • 591 Ratings
🗓️ 2 April 2026
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
Corey Brettschneider and John Fugelsang begin by breaking down Trump’s latest argument against birthright citizenship, why it misreads the Constitution, and what is really at stake in the legal fight.
Then David Sirota joins to trace the deeper roots of Trump’s power grab: the conservative blueprints that helped lay the groundwork for Project 2025, the lessons of Nixon and Reagan, and the long campaign to expand executive power.
In this episode:
- Trump’s attack on birthright citizenship
- why the constitutional case against it fails
- the antecedents of Project 2025
- Nixon, Reagan, and the growth of presidential power
- why the No Kings protests matter
- what reforms could restore real limits on the presidency
This episode is about more than one policy fight. It’s about how the presidency was reshaped, and whether American democracy can still impose meaningful limits on executive power.
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| 0:00.0 | This episode of The Oath in the Office is sponsored by the ACLU. |
| 0:14.4 | Welcome to The Oath in the Office. I am John Fuglesang. We've got a lot to cover this week, |
| 0:18.7 | including a very special guest, David Cerroda. |
| 0:21.3 | And this week, the nation's highest court hears oral arguments about the constitutionality of |
| 0:26.1 | Donald Trump's executive order declaring that children born in the U.S. to parents who are in the |
| 0:31.3 | country temporarily or illegally should no longer be considered American citizens. |
| 0:36.7 | And the Trump administration is reviving some |
| 0:39.3 | very old, very racist arguments to make their case. We've now reached the point where the legal |
| 0:45.5 | strategy is basically cite dead Confederates and dead guys who called the Chinese barbarians. |
| 0:51.4 | It's not even subtle. It's not even dog whistle. It's a bullhorn screaming. |
| 0:56.2 | Yeah, the 14th Amendment says everyone born here's a citizen. But have you considered the opinions |
| 1:01.5 | of some racist dead guys who didn't like that idea? Let's go to the star of our program. |
| 1:07.2 | Professor of Constitutional Law and Political Science, one of the country's leading voices |
| 1:11.5 | on executive power, civil liberties and the Constitution, and he doesn't like me to say it, |
| 1:15.8 | but he's a fine breakd dancer. Professor Corey Brechtnter, it's good to see you. |
| 1:20.1 | Thank you so much, John. And, you know, to get through the horrible arguments that Trump |
| 1:24.7 | administration is making in this case, what better way to do it than with your brilliant... |
| 1:30.0 | Oh, no, no, no. |
| 1:31.0 | That'd have me cracking up from the beginning. |
| 1:32.8 | Let's get into it. |
| 1:33.8 | You know, I love that setup. |
| 1:36.5 | That's who they're citing. |
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