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🗓️ 14 November 2024
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Aman Khan is Director of Product at Arize AI, an observability company for AI engineers at companies like Uber, Instacart, and Discord. Previously he was an AI Product Manager at Spotify on the ML Platform team, enabling hundreds of engineers to build and ship products across the company. He has also led and worked on products at Cruise, Zipline, and Apple. In our conversation, we discuss:
• What is an “AI product manager”?
• How to break into AI PM
• What separates top 5% AI PMs
• How to thrive as an individual-contributor PM
• Common pitfalls to avoid when building AI products
• The importance of energy and curiosity in product roles
• Much more
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Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/becoming-an-ai-pm-aman-khan
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Where to find Aman Khan:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanberkeley/
• Website: https://amanalikhan.com/
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In this episode, we cover:
(00:00) Aman’s background
(06:16) Understanding AI product management roles
(13:29) Getting started as an AI product manager
(18:14) Building a portfolio and standing out
(22:31) Why product management is not dead
(28:56) How to thrive as an AI product manager
(35:42) Finding good ideas that are AI-oriented
(39:27) Be careful not to automate away every customer experience
(42:53) What separates top 5% AI PMs
(46:55) Key habits for long-term IC success
(52:48) The importance of energy in meetings
(57:00) Wandering vs. waiting
(01:01:41) Amplifying signal through AI tools
(01:03:18) Just have fun
(01:05:36) Lightning round
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Referenced:
• AI Resources and Tools for PMs (Updated Oct 2024): https://open.substack.com/pub/amankhan1/p/ai-resources-and-tools-for-pms-updated
• Unlocking the AI PM Dream: Your Roadmap to Success: https://amankhan1.substack.com/p/unlocking-the-ai-pm-dream-your-roadmap
• Arize: https://arize.com/
• Ryzen: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/business-systems/ryzen-ai.html
• NotebookLM: https://notebooklm.google/
• Figma: https://www.figma.com/
• Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/
• Replit: https://replit.com/
• Excalidraw: https://excalidraw.com/
• Vercel: https://vercel.com/
• v0: https://v0.dev/
• How Airbnb Proved That Storytelling Is the Most Important Skill in Design: https://www.inc.com/yazin-akkawi/the-surprising-technique-airbnb-uses-to-better-sell-an-experience.html
• Brian Chesky’s new playbook: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach
• Midjourney: https://www.midjourney.com/
• Dall-E: https://openai.com/index/dall-e-3/
• Introducing the Realtime API: https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-realtime-api/
• Intro to Large Language Models | Andrej Karpathy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjkBMFhNj_g
• Watch Me Build an App in 60 Minutes With o1 and Cursor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zmhe6_T-xU
• Greg Isenberg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/
• Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor
• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/
• Instacart: https://www.instacart.com/
• How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/transform-your-subscription-growth
• When Identifying the Problem Isn’t Enough: Lessons from Boxed Cake Mix by Ann M. Aly, TechFlow Director of Human Centered Design: https://www.techflow.com/when-identifying-the-problem-isnt-enough-lessons-from-boxed-cake-mix/
• Waymo: https://waymo.com/
• The Ikea effect: https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/ikea-effect
• Blue Apron: https://www.blueapron.com/
• Unorthodox PM wisdom: Automating user insights, unselling job candidates, logging every decision, more | Kevin Yien (Stripe, Square, Mutiny): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unorthodox-pm-wisdom-kevin-yien
• LeBron James: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James
• The Secrets Behind Lyft’s Dynamic Culture: https://www.forbes.com/sites/marissaperetz/2018/05/16/the-secrets-behind-lyfts-dynamic-culture/
• Aparna Dhinakaran on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aparnadhinakaran/
• Why most public speaking advice is wrong—and how to finally overcome your speaking anxiety | Tristan de Montebello (CEO & co-founder of Ultraspeaking): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/master-public-speaking-tristan-de-montebello
• Ultraspeaking: https://ultraspeaking.com/lenny/
• A Short History of Nearly Everything: https://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Nearly-Everything/dp/076790818X
• Designing Your Life: How to Build a Well-Lived, Joyful Life: https://www.amazon.com/Designing-Your-Life-Well-Lived-Joyful/dp/1101875321
• Tour de France: Unchained on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81153133
• Formula 1: Drive to Survive on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/80204890
• Websim: https://websim.ai/
• Appeel Books: https://appeel.brandeditems.com/
• Steve Jobs quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/374630-your-time-is-limited-so-don-t-waste-it-living-someone#
• Becoming a conscious leader: Leading without fear, finding your life’s objective function, and getting better at vision and strategy | John Mark Nickels (Uber, Waymo, DoorDash): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/becoming-a-conscious-leader-john-mark-nickels
• Aman Khan (cricket player): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aman_Hakim_Khan
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0:00.0 | What if the product manager came to the meeting with prototypes? |
0:03.5 | What if you come to the design team and instead of a PRD, you actually already have your |
0:07.6 | mocks with AI. |
0:08.6 | It's super feasible for a product manager to come to a meeting and say, hey, I already have |
0:13.6 | some ideas here. |
0:14.6 | I wanted to mock them up this way. |
0:15.9 | They're probably wrong, but at least the starting point now looks a little bit higher |
0:19.9 | resolution. For people that want to, say, pivot their career to be an AIPM, what helped you move in that direction? |
0:26.8 | It's almost counterintuitive, but I actually think it's probably easier now to break into AI product management than it was before. |
0:35.0 | There are these incredible videos that are being put out right now on |
0:37.8 | YouTube on how to build an app in like an hour. That would not have been possible even a year ago. |
0:43.3 | Before you actually probably needed to have more of a foundation and background in machine learning |
0:48.3 | to get a shot at one of these companies, building AI products. What have you seen separates the |
0:53.3 | typical AI product manager from say say, the top 5%. |
0:56.8 | Really the question you have to ask yourself is... |
0:59.0 | Today, my guest is Amman Khan. |
1:06.2 | Amman is director of product at Arise AI. |
1:09.1 | And over the course of his PM career, he's focused |
1:11.7 | on building products in the AI space, including at Spotify on the ML platform team, |
1:16.9 | and roles at Cruise, Zipline, and Apple. |
1:19.7 | He's also very intentionally stayed at an individual contributor, which feels like a trend, |
1:24.4 | especially with the rise of AI tooling, making PMs much more productive, and |
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