Hello, everybody. This Jake Sends me out, host, Jake and Gino podcast.

Here with my co-host, the multifamily mentor, the coach of the chef, the father, six, the best-line author.

Vincied Annie. Gino Barbo, Gene, how's it going?

Jake, you didn't say anything about the studio. Do you like the studio?

I don't think your volumes on this morning, putting this thing together.

My wife isn't here.

Usually the wife is here, painting buttons.

I'm like praying to God, say, please, please work.

I'm just saying to myself, I hope it works.

That's why I beat you this morning, bro.

How you doing?

So today we're a very special guest. Today we have the co-founder of the small giants community as well. He is also a best

line author, speaker on entrepreneurship, culture, and leading a purpose-driven life. So about

further ado, Paul Spiegeland, welcome to the show. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. It is our

pleasure. Big fans of the community in the book.

But let's hear a little bit about your story and how you got started in business.

Well, I kind of fell into business.

I had gone to law school after college and became a lawyer working with my dad for a couple of years.

And my older brother was probably the entrepreneur because he never could work for anyone else.

So he had his own alarm company and he was installing alarms for people's homes and approached

my younger brother and I at the time and said, you know, we should get into business together.

And so we ended up getting into a business called ERS emergency response systems that provided medical alert systems for

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