So a lot of our listeners, unfortunately or fortunately, know the drama of our

tenure anniversary date. That's, you know, the basis of our vertical marriage

book. But I want to ask you because, you know, I've heard you tell the story

a thousand times of how you lost your feelings for me. But when you describe

what you felt, you say you went from anger to resentment to bitterness. Yes.

Talk about that a little bit. Well, it's interesting because it was different.

I remember when I was angry with you and like, oh, this is just wrong. It felt

wrong. But then that anger turned to resentfulness. Like, I'm mad at you,

but I'm also now resentful. But then something happened in my heart that

became toxic. I feel like I get was poisoning every part of me that I didn't

like you at all. And nothing you could do would make me happy.

Yeah, you felt it because we lived that. Yeah, I'm smiling though, because

how can I think we were doing great?

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I mean, I knew you were mad and, you know, we were yelling often as I was going to

do another church meeting. But when you talk about bitterness, I know that feeling.

So I'm like, that's deeper. That's inside. And it's something that we carry. And I don't

think we know how to get rid of. Right. So we're going to talk about bitterness. But more importantly,

how it affects our lives and how we can negotiate it. And we have the man to do it with us today.

Steve Vires is with us. He's written a book on bitterness overcoming bitterness. But first

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