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Hello, and a very warm welcome to the Lizel Wellbeing Show. And in this week's episode,

we are getting some expert advice on what to do when we just can't sleep. I'm joined by Catherine

Pinkham, who is the founder of the Insomnia Clinic, one of the UK's only specialist insomnia services.

She started the clinic after working in mental health, and seeing just how many people

are affected by poor sleep. Insomnia is very curable, she says, no matter how long,

or how severely a person suffers. And the treatment that she's found to be so successful

is something called CBTI, or Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Insomnia. Her team across the UK

are on a mission to get us sleeping better without the use of medication.

Catherine really is the go-to expert when it comes to tackling insomnia. And I do hope that you

will be able to share this episode with anyone in your life who is really struggling to nod off.

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