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Deadline: White House

“Be careful what you wish for”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

News, Versant, Ms Now, Donald Trump, Daily News, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Politics, Nbc News, Washington Dc, Msnbc, Government

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace discusses the mess of Trump’s own making as his staunchest allies seem to break with him over Epstein, the rising unpopularity of his inhumane immigration tactics, a new inflation report that shows the real impacts of his trade war, the coalition of judges warning about Emil Bove’s nomination, and more. Joined by: John Heilemann, Sam Stein, Charlotte Howard, Carol Leonnig, Kim Atkins Stohr, Eddie Glaude, Judge Nancy Gertner, and Rick Stengel.

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0:00.0

Hi there, everyone. It's 4 o'clock in the East. Be careful what you wish for.

0:08.6

Donald Trump has spent the last decade stoking and priming his base of supporters to not believe their eyes,

0:16.5

to not believe their ears when it comes to anything having to do with the U.S. government that out of

0:22.1

all of those in Washington, he and only he is the person who will give it to him straight, who will be

0:27.8

transparent and tell them the honest and difficult truth all the time. And they believed him. So what

0:34.2

happens when that very same base of fervent supporters is now told by that very same

0:40.9

president regarding a conspiracy that they have been following and believing with fervor for years

0:48.1

to move on, that there's nothing to see here and it's time to just shut up and get over it?

0:53.8

Well, we're going to see.

0:55.4

We're seeing some of it unfold right now, with MAGA melting down over the Trump administration's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

1:02.9

It's a movement torn into two distinct factions. Those staying true to the conspiracy who will stop at nothing to get those files released

1:11.8

and made public, and those who may actually still believe the same things, but are either

1:18.0

too afraid or too faithful, we're going to acquiesce to Donald Trump's wishes to move on and

1:24.6

have this go away. So yesterday on his podcast, Charlie Kirk, who's huge in this

1:31.3

world and has been very vocal about making the Epstein files public, said this, we thought

1:38.0

maybe the tide was turning and soon MAGA was going to fall in line behind its leader.

1:45.7

Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.

1:49.0

I'm going to trust my friends in the administration.

1:51.0

I'm going to trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done, solve it,

1:55.0

balls in their hands.

1:56.0

I've said plenty this last weekend.

2:00.8

But Charlie Kirk would go on to clarify today that he's actually not done talking about the Epstein

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