Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kitten. And this is a show for you

if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. We have neither for you today because it's

us who are being interviewed. The tables have turned. We have comedian actor Karen Dunbart talking

to us. You're here from the BBC. Tell everybody a little bit about how this happened and what we're

doing here. I'm not sure. Thanks guys. I'm making a programme for BBC about cancel culture,

comedy, walkness. What we can see, what we can't see now and why can we not see things and I

thought you two guys would be the very people to ask. You're in the right place, far away.

Cool. So firstly tell me, start with you Francis, how did you get into comedy? I got into comedy

in the same way that everyone gets into comedy because nobody when they get into comedy is in a

good place. Do you know what I mean? Nobody goes, you know what? I'm nailing life. Let's go into

a basement of a pub and tell jokes to three disinterest strangers and comedians are a bunch of narcissists.

So I was a teacher. I wasn't very happy with where I was. I've always loved comedy. I've always

been very passionate. I found a Chris Rock, Bill Hicks, that type of comedian. And that's what I wanted

to do. And that's what my dream was to write comedy about the state of the world talking about what's

happening, why it's happening. And that's how I started on my comedy journey really.

I can identify. And Constantine yourself? Well, it's interesting, Francis says that. For me, I was

also kind of, I was just a little bit bored of my job really more than anything. But also the people

that I always thought of as comedians were really, as I now realize, they were more satirists than

comedians. They were people who were talking about the political events and what was happening in

society, people like George Carlin and Bill Hicks. They weren't necessarily pumping out a gag every

two seconds. They were people who had something to say. And I naively thought that's what comedy is now.

So I went in thinking that that's what the world is. And of course, you very quickly find out

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