President Biden says, the war is now over. I have ended the war in Afghanistan. No, he hasn't. He's pulled the American troops out.

He's betrayed those troops that fought there for 20 years.

He's betrayed his own countrymen who are now at greater threat from terrorism than before 9-11.

And he's betrayed the people of Afghanistan.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissen.

And this is a show for you, if you want, honest conversations with fascinating people.

We are so pleased to say that our brilliant guest today is a retired British Army officer who served in Afghanistan.

Colonel Richard Kemp, welcome to Trigonometry.

It's my pleasure to be with you. Thank you for having me.

It's a great pleasure to have you on the show. It's so delighted that you could join us today.

We wanted, obviously, to talk about Afghanistan. But before we get into that, tell everybody a little bit about your personal story, your history, how are you, where you are, what has been your journey through life.

And obviously, please do touch on your experiences in Afghanistan as well.

I went to, I was born in Essex. I went to school in a town called Cultures to which France has just admitted to me that he also went to university.

So it's a small world. I never really grew up. And all the time at school, I love playing soldiers.

And I just wanted to be a soldier. So I left school one day, joined the Army the next. I was atrocious. I was the worst people at my school.

It was called cultural grammar school, fantastic school, and still is today. But I was the biggest failure they ever had.

So it was, for me, it was either prison or the Army. So I went into the Army. And I stayed there for 30 years.

I couldn't really get used to it. So I left after 30 years. And I went into a bit of a time as a corporate security director in London.

And after that in around about 2012, I became self-employed. And I know right, I do commentary on security defense, et cetera.

And I do some consultancy work. And so a bit of public speaking.

And we met precisely because you were doing TV. We were back in the green room. And we had a little chat. And I was just so impressed with how unfiltered and direct you are about the situation that was being discussed at the time, which was Afghanistan.

I think the dust is settling a little bit now. And we can have a more measured conversation about it. But give us your overall thoughts on, you know, it's been 20 years where we're right to go in. Did we do things right when we were there where we're right to leave?

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