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Welcome to Navarra Live. I'm Michael Walker. I'm joined by Helena, aka No Justice MTG, who I was informed before we went live, had heard of Bob Villain before this weekend's controversy. So you're somewhat of an expert here.

I wouldn't say I call myself an expert, but I'm definitely more kind of tangentially a fan of Bob

villain than most people who'd not heard of them before this weekend. As my brother is actually

a freshen musician, he's a big, big Bob Villan fan. So I'd hear it kind of there if it was on

when he was cooking in the kitchen or something like that. And you know what? It's excellent music

definitely to my tastes. So we're looking forward to seeing more and more of that on the airwaves to come, hopefully.

It's one of those stories that makes you feel kind of old,

because it's like you only discover the punk band via the controversy they cause in the mate.

It's like, you know, if you being in your late 30s in the 80s, you're like,

ooh, the sex pistols.

Who are these?

These are these gentlemen who swore on television.

The popular beat combo.

Yeah, that's my way into popular culture, unfortunately.

We will, of course, be talking about Populin at Glastonbury.

Kirstama is still facing a significant rebellion on changes to disability benefits.

We have a great interview on that, actually.

We're talking about Peter Thiel's worrying ambitions for humanity.

In shows previously, I've sort of mentioned in passing transhumanism.

And every now and again, someone in the comments like, transhumanism, what's that?

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