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Big Blue Banter: A New York Giants Football Podcast

BBB in 10: Joe Schoen has changed this common fallacy of past Giants regimes

Big Blue Banter: A New York Giants Football Podcast

Blue Wire

Sports News, Football, Sports, News

4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 June 2023

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Love the Giants' banter but don’t have an hour? Check out a new segment, “Big Blue Banter in 10 (or so!),” where you’ll find some of the hottest takes from the most recent show banter. Dan and Nick discuss Joe Schoen's plan to invest in the trenches. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's just upgrading the trenches.

0:01.7

And it's something that Dave Gettleman said he was going to do specifically on the

0:05.0

offensive side of the football. We want to get the Hog Mollies. He kept saying Hog Mollies and kind of became this little running joke between giant fans. But that never really happened. Yes, he drafted Andrew Thomas with a top five pick. But there were still plenty of draft picks and plenty of players within the draft. They were like, you still need to invest in the offensive line. and the offensive line sucked throughout his tenure here.

0:02.6

But Joe Shane, for his first draft, ended up drafting Evan Neal, Josh Azudu, Marcus McKethin. And then this year he drafted JMS. So you're talking about three offensive linemen in the top 67 out of two drafts. That's an investment in the offensive line, specifically the interior

0:38.1

offensive line, but he also got that right tackle. We know we needed to the center. John Michael Schmitz ended up falling to them in the second round. We know that they were really nervous that that was not going to happen. That the Chicago Bears are going to select John Michael Schmitz. Luckily, that did not materialize. Then you got to think about the defensive line as well.

0:34.3

This past season,

0:35.2

the defensive line sucked.

0:36.2

The Giants couldn't do all that much

0:37.4

about upgrading the defensive line.

0:38.8

They didn't have a lot of cap because of the prior regime, as you already discussed. But now you were able to get A. Sean Robinson, which we all kind of thought was a pipe dream when that came up because the Giants had already signed Rakeem Nunezches, Nacho, but they got both of these guys.

1:09.7

Those are two legit starters who can now rotate and be a significant upgrade over the players who were spelling Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams last year, the Justin Ellis is of the world, the Ryder Anders and players like that. And I like Ryder Anderson, but A. Sean Robinson and Rakim Nunez Roches would start on any other football team more than likely. And now you have that as your four interior deemates of line.

1:27.5

And that is a complete and utter. Robinson and Rakeem Nunez Roches would start on any other football team more than likely. And now you have that as your four interior defensive line.

1:30.2

And that is a complete and utter upgrade over the 28th ranked rushing defense last year in terms of yards allowed.

1:36.4

And we also know that the rushing yards allowed, it's not always on the interior deep of the

1:40.6

line room.

1:41.4

But the giant struggle with power gap, it's going to be much harder for these offenses to run counter, to run power gap off tackle when you can't block down on that four eye technique. You can't block down on that four technique. And now that edge can really keep that rushing lane narrow, maybe spill everybody out to the overhang, the apex and the alley defenders. So now you're elongating the rushing path instead of letting them get

2:01.5

north to south. That's something that we saw last year against a lot of zone rushing teams.

2:05.1

We saw it against Seattle and we saw it against Tennessee Titans. But the power gap ones were

2:09.0

an issue because the four techniques and four eyes were just getting washed out. Specifically,

2:12.6

when Dexter Lawrence was not out there and the first team was not out there with Leonard Williams

2:15.9

and when Nick Williams was also on the team before the by week, before he suffered the peck injury. So upgrading the interior defensive line and the offensive line is the fifth best thing on my list that Joe Shane has done. And I think he's done a great job early in his tenure. Yeah, you nailed this one, Nick. I have the same thing as my number five, my fifth best move byane, trench investments. And like I said earlier, this is the most important thing he's done, but it's not the number one move ranked for us because we're ranking based on value and based on how he's differentiated himself as other general managers. But having said that, he's on the right path. You need to invest in the trenches. It can be boiled down to something as simple as. And I'm glad that me and you agree on this, Nick, because, like, you know, we might not and there might be, you know, other ways to go about it technically, but we both agree and we're pretty strong in our stance that building the interior offensive and defensive lines out is the best way to win football games. Overall, you need to find the quarterback that's most important, at least for me, and then trenches. And then the rest can fall into place. Receivers can play better than you expect when there's good offensive line play. Corners can play better than you expect when there's good defensive line play. Linebackers can play better than you expect when there's good defensive line play. But one thing that just, and running backs can play better than you expect when there's good offensive line play. But one thing that you just don't see happening all that much is quarterbacks and receivers and running backs playing that great when there's bad offensive line play. And you don't really see corners playing that great when there's no pass rush. Some corners do, Soss Garner, but they have a pass rush. I mean, like, it's really the lifeblood of everything. I'm glad he's done it, Nick. You went over the importance of the run defense. So I'm going to focus a little bit on the offensive line here. And I just want to go over something that I find very interesting, because in the past, we've heard from those for Giants fans who have a different memory of what went down that Jerry Reese invested in the offensive line.

4:01.0

Why is this so important that you're, why are you making a point to say that Joe Shane used three picks in the top 67 overall in just two draft classes?

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