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Namst day my friends. Our main focus today is the subject of awe and my guest, Dacker Keltner, professor psychology at Berkeley, a scientist,

the co-director of the Greater Good Science Center,

also author of a number of books,

including best-selling Born to Be Good, and then his most recent book on off. So our conversation

I know you're going to love this. It covers the roots of human goodness and awe,

biological, evolutionary, cultural bases,

and also the blocks to experiencing our full potential

and the ways that we can directly cultivate our capacity for finding wonder, love, creativity, beauty in our daily life.

And I just want to say I recently read this book on awe and it's a

transmission. It's got wonderful stories and it really brings alive the precious

experience of awe. May you enjoy. So, Dach or Keltner, my friend,

welcome. I'm so glad we're getting to do this together.

Right. It's very nice to do this together.

Right, it's very nice to be with you Tara.

I thought I'd start with, you know, one of my favorite referring back to Einstein kind of

quotes, which where he frames the most important question for any of us to decide is, you know, is this universe a friendly place? I mean, is there a fundamental benevolence in existence and so I'm just so aware with so much fixation right now on the suffering our world in trouble.

Just where do you land on this question and how do you hold it?

Yeah, you know, so I approach things from an evolutionary perspective and think about, you know, what are our signature adaptations in this universe?

And I think that the, you know, there's no doubt that in this

and I think that the you know there's no doubt that raw self-interest in competitiveness and

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