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no bull and the aftermath.

It was mostly messaging. It was over anonymous channels, encrypted messages, and long, long,

long transcripts of instant message conversations back and forth. So yeah, I got to know him pretty

well. He is a very strong believer in his own point of view. He has first principles

and he has very little flexibility about application of those principles. He's very serious

to the point of being a scold about his central propositions about surveillance. He is confident

in his own judgments. He is, I think, in short a zealot. He's got an unusual sort of attitude

of certainty about what he believes in. At the same time, he can be very funny and casual

and profane and stray into all kinds of other subjects. He's well read. He's an auto-died

act of a collective interest and he could be quite good company when you weren't arguing

about questions. You went at answer and he didn't want to answer. He tried to rule out nearly

all questions about him personally and about his personal life and there were certain other

categories that were forbidden.

I'm Zachary Frank. This is the LawFair podcast, June 1st, 2020. Journalist Bart Gelman is

the author of the new book Dark Mirror, Edward Snowden and the American Surveillance

State. Jack Oldsmith sat down with Gelmond to discuss the book. They spoke about Yalmond's

reporting on the Snowden affair, the scope of the National Security Agency's surveillance

capabilities and press freedom as it relates to National Security reporting. With the LawFair

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