This pandemic right now, I'm just, I'm over it. I'm like, it's really hard for me to like

not have that feeling of like I'm creating something from A to Z. I need to touch something,

like whether it's roast, put it together. Like I'm going to cup Rwandan coffee. We haven't had

Rwandan coffee in our company. And we're finally going to get some, which is great. And that is one of the most exciting things to me. So I'm like,

cool, I'm going to find some flavors and then we'll talk about developing them with somebody.

And it's like I had a hand in like doing something that I can physically give to somebody.

Because you can't bring a community together right now. So I don't really have anything else to like connect with community.

Except for the internet, which I hate.

The internet's so dumb.

The internet is draining all of us.

It's our only way to connect with anybody.

The internet is ridiculous.

I know.

I'd argue that there are other ways to connect.

They are just defaulting to the internet because it seems easier.

It is, yeah, it's easier than like just picking up the phone and calling sometimes.

Calling.

Yeah.

Or, like, creating something that people could interact with.

That doesn't necessarily feel like connection, but it probably, well, not probably.

For me, that's where I find much more connection and sustained connection than simply logging on,

commenting on things and logging off, logging back on, commenting on things and logging off.

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