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This is Masters in Business with Barry Rittholz on Bloomberg Radio.

This week on the podcast, really, I have a super extra special guest.

Everybody makes fun of me for saying that each week, but I have an extra special guest.

I was fortunate enough to go to a dinner one night that Annie Duke was hosting,

and each person at the table was more fascinating and accomplished than the next.

From Mike Moboson, a Josh Wolf, to Danny Coniman, and at the end of the evening,

one of the women at the table pulls me aside to discuss my interview with Michael Lewis,

and that turned out to be Barbara Tversky, a experimental psychologist, publisher of hundreds of research papers,

oh, and also the spouse of Amos Tversky, and she told me how much she enjoyed my conversation with Mike Lewis,

and we started chatting, and it took me, I don't know, maybe four seconds to say,

oh my god, this woman is fascinating, and I have to sit down and have a conversation with her.

But she's back and forth between Stanford and Columbia, and it took us a while to hone in on a time,

and I'm really glad we did. She wrote this fascinating book on how the brain works,

how we perceive things, whether it's language or spatial perception, and why action shapes thoughts

and how motion impacts cognitive processes, it's not drying clinical, it's really a very

fascinating abstract conversation, and we just babbled, at least I babbled, for two hours,

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