Welcome to Media Roots Radio.

This is Robbie Martin.

And this is Abby Martin.

So, Abby, as you know, I've been especially fixated on almost to an obsessive degree on all the little forces, big and small, that have sort of been

ramping up this sort of adversarial Asia pivot among sort of Western, you know, mostly the US,

also the UK, even Australia, seems to be sort of, there seems to be a pivot that is happening

among a certain block of, you know,

Western powers against China.

And it's, and, you know, there's propaganda that you'll even see

coming from like UK people about China

that seems to be really in line with sort of the ramp up here.

And I would say that, you know, there's definitely some, the relationship between China and the

United States is definitely much more complicated and nuanced and hard to sum up in a simple talking point. And that's part of

the issue with why I think this issue, it doesn't attract as much attention from, let's just say,

anti-imperialists at large or, you know, certain groups like that.

You know, like, for example, all the people who say they're against the Ukraine war, a lot of

those people who are more conservative, you know, are also like really quick to be like really

paranoid about China or maybe even say things about China that

sound very aggressive, you know, about doing something about them. I mean, like Tucker, for example,

for a long, long time, that was sort of his thing, where so he would act like he's anti-war on all

these sort of maga-friendly topics, but then he would be really, really amping up the anti-China paranoia,

the hysteria, and not just about the lab leak aspect or theories about COVID, but about

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