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Foul Play: A Historical True Crime Podcast

Baltimore: Sister Cathy's Psychology of Abuse 3

Foul Play: A Historical True Crime Podcast

Shane L. Waters, Wendy Cee, Gemma Hoskins

History, True Crime, Society & Culture

4.5 β€’ 992 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 3 July 2019

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

In this third installment of a compelling three-part series, our hosts Shane and Gemma examine into the complex psychological terrain of abuse with Dr. Ellen Lacter, an expert on the harrowing effects of extreme and ritual abuse. This episode offers a sobering look at the mechanisms of dissociation, a survival strategy for victims during overwhelming trauma, and how these fractures in consciousness can echo through a lifetime of aftereffects. Dr. Lacter's insights into the psychological responses to abuse, from the body's automatic reactions to the enduring inner turmoil of self-blame, provide a stark backdrop to the ongoing story of Sister Cathy Cesnik's unresolved case.

The conversation takes on an even more profound dimension as it explores the insidious influence of religious authority in perpetuating abuse, a painful thread woven through the dark the history uncovered by The Keepers. Jean Wehner, whose story of survival and search for truth was a focal point of the Netflix documentary, joins the discussion, offering a first-hand account of the devastation wrought by such crimes and the arduous path towards healing.

As Shane and Gemma, together with their guests, work through this difficult but necessary discourse, they also share Dr. Lacter's therapeutic approach. By helping victims reframe their trauma, Dr. Lacter aids in reclaiming the narrative of their lives from the clutches of their abusers. For listeners who are grappling with similar shadows, this episode could be a beacon of understanding and hope.
We invite you to continue this journey with us, as we seek to uncover the layers of trauma and recovery intertwined with Sister Cathy's story.

Visit itsfoulplay.com to learn more, share your insights, or find resources if you or someone you know needs help. Together, we keep the conversation going, in pursuit of healing and justice. Our Sponsors: * Check out Kensington Publishing: https://www.kensingtonbooks.com * Check out Mood and use my code SHANE for a great deal: https://mood.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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0:00.0

I'm going to Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, position of faith, of spiritual leader,

0:32.3

confidant for a lot of people within a professional that were doing things

0:36.5

that were wildly against their being, their ideas, but he was encouraging. He was saying it was okay. He gave them permission.

0:46.7

Once somebody goes beyond that limit, once they've gone and done whatever that fantasy is that they've confessed within a

0:55.6

confessional.

0:56.6

Do you feel that is a kind of mentoring, a release of something within an individual that allows him to think that this behavior is okay and it may continue?

1:07.8

I have two thoughts because this is kind of complicated question.

1:10.6

So you're saying that a young priest who just came out of seminary and if the

1:17.3

priest says this is okay, is he potentially very much manipulated by that elder priest?

1:25.0

Not just priest. I mean there were a variety of different people but what I'm saying is no matter where he connected with them, if he is bringing them, which they considered, and I'm

1:37.0

going to say from what I remember, this was a safe place.

1:40.3

This was better than being out on a street. So what he brings someone to a place that is safe, is protected by him, is affirmed by him,

1:50.0

if someone does something that is against their particular morals that is what

1:57.6

they may have even gone into a confessional to say that they struggle with.

2:02.1

They scanticesies or nothing.

2:04.2

To act them out is different.

2:06.8

So if someone was in the room acting out a fantasy

2:10.8

that he has now said, this is the way that you work it and I had one man in the room

2:15.6

doing that and this is how you will get beyond it. Once they acted out once they're

2:22.4

given permission by the person that they go to for the final blessing,

2:27.2

have you opened the door for them to start doing more of that or is that possibly just the only time they would do it?

2:35.2

What happens within the mind of the person who has now violated their own moral code? You have a person who's never done this.

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