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Foul Play: A Historical True Crime Podcast

Baltimore: Sister Cathy's Legal Labyrinth 1

Foul Play: A Historical True Crime Podcast

Shane L. Waters, Wendy Cee, Gemma Hoskins

History, True Crime, Society & Culture

4.5 β€’ 992 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 17 July 2019

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

This episode marks a gripping new chapter in Foul Play: Crime Series, as Shane and Gemma welcome a special guest, Attorney Beverly Wallace, to revealed one of Maryland's most contentious legal battles. In part one of this two-part episode, Wallace opens up about the Doe Roe trial, where disturbing allegations of sexual abuse within a Catholic institution came to the fore. Her articulate and insightful recounting of the case's trajectory offers listeners a rare glimpse into the complexities of legal warfare against a backdrop of systemic abuse and cover-ups.

Shane and Gemma facilitate a riveting question and answer session with Wallace, whose detailed narrative encompasses the hurdles of pursuing justice in a system often resistant to confronting such painful truths. The conversation pivots to Wallace's vital role in the Netflix series "The Keepers," which revisited the tragic and mysterious death of Sister Cathy Cesnik and the broader context of abuse that may have surrounded it. As Wallace discusses the challenges she faced in court, from procedural to personal, her perspective as an attorney deeply involved in the case adds a profound layer of depth to the series' ongoing investigation.

Listeners will also hear about the human side of Wallace's career, from her motivations in taking up law to the camaraderie and conflicts with colleagues and the press during the height of the Doe Roe legal proceedings. This episode not only enlightens but also humanizes the often-impenetrable facade of legal proceedings, making it a must-listen for those who seek to understand the full scope of the fight against institutional abuse.

As we continue to examine the tangled threads of Sister Cathy's story and the broader narrative of injustice she has come to symbolize, we invite our audience to reflect and engage at itsfoulplay.com. Here, the dialogue extends beyond the podcast, encompassing a community united in seeking truth and accountability. We work through the complex maze of law and memory, always aiming to illuminate the darkened corridors of the past. Our Sponsors: * Check out Kensington Publishing: https://www.kensingtonbooks.com * Check out Mood and use my code SHANE for a great deal: https://mood.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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0:00.0

I'm Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Today our guest is someone you know this is the person that is everybody's favorite

0:38.3

attorney from the keepers not that there were that many. So I have a feeling you're all thinking about this one. I want to welcome attorney Beverly Wallace to our program.

0:52.0

Hi Beverly, thank you for coming to speak with us.

0:55.0

Hi, I'm happy to be here.

0:57.5

Thanks for having me.

0:58.5

Thank you.

0:59.5

And I'm going to start tonight.

1:01.5

So the first thing we'd like to ask you is everybody's

1:06.2

been sending us questions, but the one that keeps coming up

1:09.2

is, how did you even come to be involved in the Doe Row case?

1:13.6

And I just want to remind our listeners that Doe is Jean Wainer and Row is Theresa Lancaster.

1:20.5

So how did that begin? I came to be involved in that I got a job working for a man

1:28.2

named Phil Dantes and Phil was lead counsel in this case.

1:32.6

I believe he knew Jean's brother.

1:35.3

And after she had been represented by Steve Tully,

1:39.7

unsatisfactorily to her, I think her brother reached out and contacted Phil.

1:45.0

I went, I was working for Phil at the time and at the time he was using a retired police detective to interview potential victims and witnesses.

1:57.0

And I don't recall the reason, but I went and re-interviewed someone.

2:01.0

And what we learned was that women were more comfortable

2:05.0

I think talking to another woman than they were a retired male detective.

2:10.0

So I just started reinterviewing witnesses and victims and chasing down leads and that was how I initially got involved.

2:19.5

It just seemed to be more productive than what they were obtaining working with the detective.

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