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Coffee House Shots

Badenoch rattles Starmer – but are they as bad as each other?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

Politics, Daily News, News

4.42.2K Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2026

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Megan McElroy unpacks a rowdy PMQs with Tim Shipman and Isabel Hardman. Kemi Badenoch made Keir Starmer uncomfortable over student loans but – at a time when trust in the Conservative brand is low – could some of her rhetoric backfire? Plus, what did they make of the revelation that it was the Speaker of the House Lindsay Hoyle that reported Peter Mandelson to police as a flight risk?


Produced by Megan McElroy and Patrick Gibbons.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, The Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Megan McElroy,

0:10.7

and I'm joined today by our political editor Tim Shipman and Isabel Harbman, assistant editor.

0:16.4

PMQs today, Isabel, you've described Kemi Badenups performance as Savage. She led on the issue of

0:23.0

student loans. She says that she's raised this. I would credit Olly Dougmore with raising the issue,

0:28.8

but what did you make for the whole day? Yeah, I mean, it's strange, isn't it? Because I don't

0:32.5

think student loans and Savage normally belong in the same sentence, but she was on brutal form. And I think,

0:39.3

I'm not sure how our lawyers will feel about me saying this, but I'll say it anyway. I think

0:42.4

it was a performance that showed why some people don't enjoy working with her. She's very good at

0:47.6

kicking people verbally. And she had some really good, shall I say good, or just savage lines reporting something that Labour MPs themselves have said that they're being accused of being the Pido Defenders Party and 411 MPs and not one of them has any imagination, just sort of kicking Starmat and his party with new lines that felt fresh and painful and punched bruises that they, you know,

1:14.5

the Labour Party is so bruised at the moment that it is difficult to see any sort of clear skin,

1:19.3

but punching those bruises and leaving the Prime Minister with the lines that he has been using

1:24.7

since he came into office about, you Blitz, Truss and all that

1:29.3

sort of thing. Carp in from the sidelines. Which used to be thrown at him. I mean, I was almost

1:34.4

expecting him to call Kerry Bade, not Captain Hindsight, which is what Boris Johnson used to call him.

1:39.8

So she made him look tired. Whether it benefits the Tories, sort of in polling terms, I don't think so.

1:46.9

I think it just hurts labour. And whether some of the ways in which she behaves in the chamber are statesman-like or a stateswoman-like, states-like, are another question.

1:58.7

I was quite interested by the reaction actually because we're obviously

2:00.9

watching it but some of the, I mean obviously Twitter is not Britain but some of the reaction was

2:06.7

oh this was very rude and it's lowering the tone and how dare she use the, this is the first time

2:10.8

the word Pido's has ever been used in the House of Commons, apparently according to the

2:14.8

Hansard watchers and the search mechanisms that they used.

2:18.6

But this is a quote, you know, the Pido Defenders Party,

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