This is the Tom Hartman Program.

Welcome back, Tom Hartman here with you.

On the line with us is Professor Benjamin R.

Titlebaum, the ethnographer of contemporary radical nationalism in Europe,

assistant professor of Ethnomusicology and International Affairs

the University of Colorado Boulder, and his latest latest book this is just an extraordinary work

War for eternity inside Bannon that's Steve Bannon's far right circle of global power brokers.

Dr. Tidalbaum, welcome back to the program.

An absolute pleasure to be with you.

War for eternity.

First of all, where did that title come from? It actually

describes the world dear that I'm studying in this book. There's a sort of hidden network of

ideologues around the world who follow a very, very strange school. It's more a

philosophical school of the politics but it's called traditionalism and one of

its pieces is that all of these actors they oppose progress at large that's one reason why it's so

radical it's hard to compare but they want to see a world that is not striving to be

something better necessarily than it was and dreaming of a sort of utopia here on earth,

but instead a world that returns to what it once was.

In other words, with white men in charge?

It could be.

It's not a politically benign or neutral position.

As abstract and vague as that might sound, this is not the cause for people who have been oppressed necessarily look at

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