I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray.

And this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed recap podcast about reality dating

shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every

juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about a real-life Disney princess, except better than that

because she's a fully formed human woman named Charity Lawson. Last night we watched her have

one of the most devastating breakups in Bachelorette history and find her happily ever after.

Here to discuss the end of Charity's journey with us, as well as our brand spank-in-new

Bachelor, is our new friend of the pod, Zakia Gibbons, host of the reality dating podcast, hang up.

Zakia, thank you so much for joining us. We're so excited to have you.

Oh my gosh, I cannot contain my face right now. Thank you so much for having me as a huge fan of

reality TV. Finalees are everything, so for y'all to have me come on to recap, the finale is

literally an honor, so thank you. The honor is shared. This finale really gave us every note we

needed, so I cannot imagine a better episode for you to make your Love to See It debut,

and also we are very excited about your new show, so this is just, this is a beautiful

collaboration for us. It really is, and I took literally six pages of notes.

Oh, don't worry, we have 12 pages of notes. That's kind of our vibe. We're very beat by beat.

So before we just dive right in, I just want to remind everyone listening that

we still have some bonus premium content over on our substack rich text, and this week

we did a podcast about the summer I turned pretty season two with author Alison Greenberg.

It was a really fun time, and you can find that over at clarandema.substack.com.

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