I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray.

And this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed recap podcast about reality dating

shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every

juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about men who low-key online bully other men,

middle school style. Also men who wear earrings, men who wear cowboy hats,

shawns who invite themselves up to the hot seat, and very thirsty jessies.

Plus one absolutely luminous charity loss in. Here today to dig into one of the comments,

least painful men tell all specials in Bachelor at History is friend of the pod and brilliant

author Esme Wang. Welcome Esme, we're so happy to have you. Hi, so happy to be here. Thank you

for inviting me. Oh my gosh, I mean long time friend of the pod, but first time friend of the

men tell all of the cap, so 14 pages of notes. Yeah, more than us, which is really saying something,

this is what happens when we don't have Claire. We are not quite clear level of notes. Yeah,

that that Claire is. And I'm jealous to be honest. We're trying to touch into detail. We try.

We're trying to fill her the shoes she has left while she's on mat leave.

Small reminder, before we get into it, this week on rich text, I did a podcast about the

sexy summer rom com red, white and royal blue with friend of the pod, Justin Adams. So you can

find that episode over at clarandema.substac.com. We had a lot of fun discussing it.

But let's get into it. Let's get into this men tell all special because father jessie is ready.

He's so ready. And he is the 20th anniversary. Oh, and he is thirsty. Of course, he had to

remind us of that it's the 20th anniversary of the bachelor at. So that's why we have a little

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