I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about our favorite reality show, a little something we like to call Let's Destroy Rachel's Confidence for fun.

It's just an uplifting docuseries about what happens when two beautiful brilliant women are tortured by a bunch of producers and editors for mass entertainment.

Today we're joined by the wonderful Kelsey McKinney of Defactor Media and the Normal Gossip Podcast. Kelsey, thanks for being here.

Hello, ladies. Thank you for having me. I'm thrilled to be here and discussing this shit show of an episode. I think it will.

Oh, yeah. I think you are the perfect person to discuss this with us and you even showed up today wearing a Love to See It t-shirt.

So the dedication is unparalleled. We appreciate the pandering is I just wanted to tell your listeners that yes, I did wear this to pander you but to you, but I also wore it because it's the softest t-shirt I own.

So if you're looking for a very soft t-shirt, I recommend Love to See It, merch.

We're just trying to keep people comfortable out here. It's very important to us. But let's get into it because a lot went down this week on the valiant lady cruise ship.

At the beginning of this week, actually, they're still in LA. The men have now split into two groups or teams.

And it's sort of like sharks in the jets, like they're just sizing each other up. These two gangs, like who's tougher. And what do you know who's part of one of these gangs, but meatball.

He's been let back in by sweet Rachel. And frankly, I so much happened this episode. I forgot that I was even annoyed by meatball last week.

He put in he put in a good showing trying to earn his key poor Rachel has such a dud crop that she literally just like, yes, meatball did reject my rose and humiliate me.

But like that's not even up there anymore on the scale of bad things that have been done to me.

I like meatball. Me too. I've started to like meatball too. I've always liked meatball except for when he randomly rejected Rachel, even though he claimed to be undecided right up until the point of the rose ceremony.

And I thought that was pretty rude to be honest. I have a theory about this that I'm sure we'll get into later. But I think meatball was the only one that I was like, oh, they both like him.

Like I felt like they both liked him. So if I were meatball, I would be like, maybe I'm getting a rose from Gabby. And then he did.

Well, I think that all the guys who rejected Rachel's rose thought that maybe you get a rose from Gabby and then none of them did.

I'm sorry, continue. I got distracted by my love for people. He's a sweetie. Meanwhile, someone who is not a sweetie and has, as far as I can tell, no redeeming qualities is Hayden.

And Hayden has been going on a little press tour of the mansion, trying to sort of get out ahead of the story.

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