I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

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Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about how public vows of chastity do nothing but set you up for failure and shame in the eyes of the world.

This is definitely now and always was an anti-pirate culture podcast and that's been really reinforced by this week's episode.

So thanks a lot. Sean Lowe are born again virgin evangelical king. This week Zachary shackle cross has to Thailand for fantasy suites announces many times that he will not have sex during his overnight dates.

Promptly has sex during an overnight date and then just tells everyone about it abstinence education taking another owl this week and we are joined to break this all down by bachelor legend and cohost of the a little help for our friends podcast Jacqueline Trumbull.

Thank you so much for being here. Hi, thank you. I think I maybe at best a demigod. I'm not sure about this legend.

And our eyes here. You're a legend. Thanks in every way that matters. Also because when you come on to recap with us, it's always so insightful and fun and we're so glad you're here for this episode, which I mean need to see.

The fantasies we always the most fun to break down, I think and it's been getting more and more intense every year. It feels like every season. There is a new way for everyone to suffer during fantasy sweet week.

I think back to when I first started watching the show and it was like the fantasy sweet was this black box that you entered and no one discussed it. And it was almost a sort of chill week in a way. And that has really been blown apart. So let's praise ourselves.

I mean, it seems like the show has decided to take its gloves off in an all sorts of ways. And now sex is not a private thing anymore. And they just feel free to air it completely. And once you do that, then all sorts of things can can go down.

Then it is right for exploitation.

Or entertainment. Yeah.

So let's set the scene. We're in Thailand. The vibe for Zach is feeling very good here. Perfect place to propose.

As usual, the bachelor signals that we are in Asia by playing some clips of like flute and chime based music in a very aggressive way.

I noticed this even more now because a lot of reality dating shows just use like pop music. Right. And the bachelor relies really heavily on like almost anthropological sound library.

Yeah, there is some sort of sound library that is getting more uncomfy by the minute. I mean, and I was watching this episode and Adam walked through the room.

Like obviously he does not watch the show at all. And he was just like, what is this music? This is like kind of fucked up.

Yeah. It was so jarring to him.

It's jarring. It's very jarring. And they lean into it also with these like fadeaways to like Buddha heads and stuff during in the moments.

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