I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about Shane's season of the Bachelor at. This week

our scrappy self-enointed lead offers a fake apology and earns a ticket to a dramatic

two on one date. Meanwhile Clayton, the nominal lead of this season is, as always, just very

sorry to be here, very sorry to interrupt and very eager to find out which of the women

have the senses of humor and traumatic backstories that he really requires in a mate.

Today we're joined by Emmy Award Winning, last week tonight writer and longtime Vulture

Bachelor Recaper, Ali Barthwell. Ali, thank you for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me. We got a lot to talk about. I'm fired up.

I could not be more excited that you're here before Shane left. I need your thoughts

on what's going on in the house. Let's get started. We are in Houston. We heart Houston.

We are up in the women's hotel rooms as Susie recaps what happened at the winners after

party of the group date last episode. Susie is telling Rachel and Jill who are not on

the date how Shane came in and threw the trophy, I guess, into a pond. There's always a body

of water near by. It looks like it just went into a bush. The into the pond feels like

a fabrication on somebody's part. I think they all got together and decided that a body

of water would feel more dramatic. And Shane's in on it, other women are in on it. They've

all agreed. And this is the point where I was like, okay, even the women who so far have

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