I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about 28-year-old grown man trying to figure out what being

and love is.

Is it feeling nice when a woman says she loves me? Is it feeling nice when a different

woman says she loves me? Is it being an Iceland and wearing a very cozy, thick, turtle

neck? Is it being an Iceland and wearing a half-sip sweater? Is it being in a volcano?

A geothermal hot spring? Who can say, but we're going to try to figure it out.

Clayton's journey has finally crashed to a conclusion and today, Emma, the two of us

are going solo. Just you and me to discuss the finale of the finale. It's part two and

I can't wait to dig into. Honestly, I hate to give any credit to Jesse

Palmer or Mike Fleiss or the show, but I have to admit I found it quite dramatic.

It really, I gasped audibly while watching more than once. I mean, I felt like I should

have been prepared and yet I was not. I was not. I was not. I don't know, this morning

in the light of day, the fact that all the different parties seem to be generally doing

all right. I'm feeling a sense of calm rather than intense trauma. For that, I am truly

fucking grateful. Yeah, I'm hopeful that the human wreckage of this show was less absolute

than it seemed. I remember also after Matt James' finale being like, oh my god, I can't

believe what they did to this man. And I look back now and I'm like, I am glad that it

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