I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray.

And this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed recap podcast about reality dating

shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every

juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about men whose prefrontal cortexes remain unfused,

and also not being chosen.

On your birthday, how dare you, Tanner?

Hi, Crimes, Hi, Crimes.

Today, we are discussing Bachelor in Paradise with new friend of the pod journalist Susie

Bannock-Harram, host of In Retrospect with Jessica Bennett, a podcast that examines cultural

moments from the 80s and 90s in the present. Welcome Susie, as I was telling you before we started

recording, I have been obsessively listening to this podcast and it is so good.

Thank you so much for having me, and also I love this podcast, so I'm so excited to be on.

Can I just say that I love your music? I sing along every time it plays.

Thank you, shout out to Tamara Havive, a listener who, when we had to relaunch the show,

kindly offered us her original music, and it's so good you can find the song Fire on Spotify.

Oh my God, Tamara. I'm going to download it. I'm into it. I can really do work out to it.

Stop, drop, roll. Yep, it's really catchy. Thank goodness you're here, Susie, because week five

of Paradise brought the tension, the heat, the love, the mania, there's just so much to discuss.

So much. Also, as an update, our Golden Bachelor recap will be released on Fridays

after hearing from our listeners and doing some data review, we've decided that this schedule is

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