I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about the most and least sexy dating shows currently on TV and also, obviously, Stagecoach.

This week it's all about lemon drizzle and lingerie.

And as always, some great behind the scenes, Bachelor gossip, pregnancy announcements, and even more importantly, finally an answer as to why Mike Johnson and Tyler Cameron never became Bachelor, which I lie awake sleepless, wondering about all the time.

Yeah, I know it's been a big thing for you, so I'm just glad that we could set your mind to this.

And today we are joined by Brooke Sifrin and Eresha Skidmore Williams of the excellent daily show Rich and Daily as well as host of the iconic podcast, even the Rich.

Thank you both so much for joining us. We are very, very excited to have you.

Yeah, thank you for having us.

Yeah, this is an honor.

Our world's collide.

I know.

So let's dive right in with gossip because we have a lot of material to get through and I want to I want to talk about let's start with a happy piece of news, I guess you could say Vanessa Grimaldi, who of course won Nick Files season of the Bachelor, but they didn't stay together for very long.

She is married and she and her husband Joshua Wolf are expecting a baby.

They really did that like very trendy baby photo shoot thing where she just looks like effortlessly beautiful and you just look at those photos and you're like pregnancy, maybe it's just only a good time.

Or is it? My understanding is no. But as someone who's never been pregnant, that would be my understanding as well.

Yeah, there has been pregnant and being near her, my understanding is also no.

No, it was a lot like this photo. I don't know if you guys really perused the Instagram the way that I did, but it really gives you the accurate impression that pregnancy is just like everything is in black and white.

Like the lighting is amazing. You look the same as before except your hair is shinier and you have a very smooth, beautiful, like sensual bump that's just peeking out of your jeans, which aren't buttoned and you just go around like that.

Yeah, and you're blowing obviously.

Oh, it sounds awesome. Honestly, yeah, we should all be pregnant. Yes, yes, that's what I'm pushing. I'm proud of you.

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