Hello, this is Jeremy Bowen, the International Editor of BBC News and I'm here because I want

to talk to you about an event I'm doing with Intelligent Squared on the 2nd of November in London

and I'm going to be talking about the more than 30 years that I've spent reporting on major

events in the Middle East with my great friend and colleague over many, many years just in web

and I'm sure we'll talk about a few other things as well, just in and I started at the BBC

on the same day in 1984. So if you'd like to join us either in person or online then visit

IntelligentSquared.com to find out more. Welcome to the Intelligent Squared podcast. I'm producer

Catherine Hughes. In today's episode we bring you part 2 of our live event, Bach vs Beethoven.

This event was hosted by the BBC's Rita Shackle Party, who was joined by World Runaan Chalice,

Steven Isolace, Fabark, and a claimed music critic, Norman LeBrecht, for Beethoven.

Michka Rushdie Moment accompanies his conversation on the piano.

Part 1 of this event was released on our last episode and is available now to all our listeners.

Do take listen to that first if you can. Part 3 of this conversation is available exclusively

to our subscribers. This event took place in April 2023 in Codogan Hall, London.

Steven is saying he's just going to put his cello away, he will be back, thanks to him for some

very persuasive arguments and some absolutely stunning playing. I'm with Michka as well,

that was I don't know about you, I feel a bit breathless listening to that. Norman has hard

act to follow, but the stage is yours. Thank you. My learned adversary has dealt with what I

suppose one would call the performative aspect of the matter in hand. He's not here to hear me.

I shall try and deal with the informative. He had of course the advantage of four strings.

I was going to bring my viola, which was Beethoven's instrument, but Beethoven never wrote anything

for viola. If I had the time which I don't, I would tell you why, because it would take 15 minutes

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