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Say, won't he do it? Yes, he will.

Won't you do it? Yes, he will. He'll take a stone.

Make you still.

Yeah, won't we do it out?

Yes, he will.

Welcome, this Susie Larson Live.

Always so honored to get to spend this time with you.

In fact, I look forward to bringing you conversations every single day that hopefully

inspire you in your faith walk, that deepen your

understanding of God's word, and that heightens your awareness of his very real presence in your

life. Well, Scripture talks about Babylon, first and Genesis, then again, in Revelation.

Maybe you know a little bit about end times Babylon. I've heard lots of people say, they think

America is the Babylon mentioned in Revelation.

What do you think? Well, my guest today says, no, he believes that end times Babylon is a literal

city that's yet to be built. Our good friend Prophecy Pro Jeff Kinley joins us today to talk about the

apologetics of Babylon and the apologetics of lawlessness. What does Scripture say? What should

we know about this? And how does it pertain to how we walk with God? What time is it in the end times

calendar? What time are we living in? And what do we need to know to navigate with a heart of faith?

God never calls us to fear. He doesn't give us, you know, warnings and prophecies

to strike fear in us, so we're bracing for impact. He calls us to be sober and alert and wise and

obedient, prayerful, grateful. Those things are very clear in Scripture. He calls us to trust him,

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