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I'm Justin charity. I'm Cameron Collins. Welcome to Damage Control on the channel 33 network a podcast where we unpack what upsets excites and divides us in popular culture.

Today we're speaking with ringer staff writer Kate nibbs about the awkward art of apologies.

But first we're talking about a season sorry babe.net and the backlash to me too.

So this week a damage control first we're going to have a guest granted someone from the ringer but our friend Kate nibbs.

But before that we really got us a down and talk about this babe.net piece.

Babe.net is a young new ish feminist website that published a controversial account of one women state with the popular comedian.

She has a pseudonym in the piece grace in the piece she alleges that a date with and sorry ended with her getting repeatedly pressured into sex.

It's been a controversial piece for a couple of reasons.

Chief among them is just been the fact that a lot of men and a lot of supporters of men refused to grapple with the idea of sexual coercion is a real sort of intimidation and the varieties of things that sexual coercion can entail has been very complicated conversation.

But another reason for the controversy and one that we're really going to be dealing with today is just that babe reported this story in what has been argued to be a slap dash amateurish sensationalized way.

There's a real cause for split opinion when it comes to babes reporting here because on the one hand this account has sparked a real.

I want to say unique conversation about what sexual coercion is and what it looks like and why men don't seem to recognize it as coercion when it's described to them.

Right.

But on the other hand, babe is not the New York Times. They didn't really handle graces account with this sort of apparent care and reporting and even just the care of pros that the New York Times would and has with regard to other people accused of various levels of.

Sexual in this conduct so even in the context of having this valuable conversation.

The the baby pieces a bit of a head scratcher and makes a lot of people uncomfortable how would you describe the tone of this piece.

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