On this episode of Avtalk, Iran's Civil Aviation Organization details the chain of events that led to

the Downing of Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752. The NTSB issues its report on the Atlas Air 3591 crash, and US Airlines begin backing away

from ambitious recovery plans as COVID-19 cases are again on the rise. Welcome to episode 89 of Avtoc.

I am Ian Petchen here as always with

Jason or binuets.

Hello Ian, how are you?

Hello, Jason, I'm doing well.

How are you, sir?

I'm good.

The same as the last episode, the one before that, before that, before that, before that, but I don't know. That's all I got.

If we go back far enough in the episode catalog, there are actual episodes where we are traveling.

Weird.

It has become weird at this point.

I keep seeing people talking about taking their first trip since, and I mean I'm looking forward

to getting back on a plane eventually. I really want to get back on a plane eventually, but right now I have no desire to get on a plane and

Yeah, time the airport plane experience.

I am very much in the same camp as you right now.

I kind of feel bad about that as an Av geek,

but I just don't have a desire to experience the current way of flying.

No, as badly as I want to travel somewhere really anywhere at this point,

we're pretty much limited to flying domestically and

flying anywhere outside of New York seems like a bad idea right about now. We're just at the point

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