Hello and welcome to episode 361 of AvTalk. I am Ian Petchnik, here as always with Jason Rabinowitz. Hello, Ian. How are you enjoying fake summer number one in Chicago? We're done with that.

Oh, you're done? Oh, okay. It's snow today. Yeah. I figure because that's happening to us tomorrow.

So you've already had the whole summer experience in Chicago where it got really warm, really nice.

Everyone goes outside. A thunderstorm absolutely destroys everyone's day at O'Hare, and now you're back in winter.

Exactly.

You just described the last 48 hours in Chicago.

Yeah.

Yesterday was bad at O'Hare.

Like mid-July thunderstorm bad.

So what made it worse for just air traffic in general was that it was a very large storm...

I'm not going to be 5,000 flights a day. And... What made it worse for just air traffic in general was that it was a very large storm.

American and 5,000 flights a day.

And 4,700 of them were to Kalamazoo.

We've been picking on Kalamazoo a lot lately.

I mean, it deserves it.

What made it worse was not just the severity of the storm as it impacted Chicago,

but the weather system was so large

that it actually impacted flights all the way up into Canada. So the holding that had to take

place outside of the storm itself, Lott was holding over, I want to say, Northern Minnesota

at some point. They were, Northern Minnesota at some point.

Yeah, they were way up there at some point.

There were flights that were holding super far west, like Nebraska, and then there were

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