Hello and welcome to episode 231 of Avtoc. I am Ian Petchenic here as always with

Jason Rubinowitz. How's it going Ian?

It's going great, Jason.

You've had an interesting week. I'm not going to say why, but you've had probably a very interesting

very stressful week. Yes, this week has been extremely stressful, but I will say that that stress has been lifted

a little. I mean, there's still a lot to do, but it's been quite the week. But things are looking up in the world and so I'm glad to record the

podcast with you today rather than yesterday because I just probably would have been shaking out of my

seat with stress and it would have been a very different

podcast. But we have a very good show for you today. It's not as good as last week's show because

Jason and I are still very pleased with how our

conversation with Charles Duncan White.

We both had such fun and it was so nice to have such candor and openness, which both mean the same thing, from an airline executive.

It's rare to have that from someone who is both very knowledgeable about the industry and their business and willing to say those words and do those things into a microphone but I think we had such a great

conversation so if you haven't listened to last week's episode yet please go back and

do that yes if you skip last week for whatever reason maybe skip this episode and go back and listen to that one instead.

I'm sure this episode will be great too.

That's not what we want.

This one will be great too, but last week definitely go back if you did miss that my dad texted

earlier and said the president was incredibly good and engaging in for a second I

thought what we didn't talk to Biden but oh right he's talking about the

podcast president last week yeah, this particular president of an airline

was incredibly good to talk to and engaging.

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