Hello and welcome to episode 230 of Avtoc. I am Ian Petchenik here, as always with...

Jason Urbanowitz, wow, that was quite the wind-up today, Ian.

It's been a day, Jason. It's been a day. But you know what? We've got some good stuff. We've got a really great interview coming up today. And that's me saying that. That's not even Ian tee that up I'm I'm genuinely excited to bring you the interview we have today

Ian who did we talk to we talked with Charles Duncan who is the president of long haul low-cost, trans-Atlantic airline, Norse Atlantic Airways.

And I have to say, I don't want to build it up too much because we'll talk about this on the back end

about how I think we both came away with different attitudes towards the airline and so I'm going to let our interview with Charles Stamford's self and then we can talk about that a little bit more later.

But I say it's been a day because we have a rare instance in which breaking aviation news occurred

prior to us hitting record.

So we interviewed Charles this morning or right about lunchtime on the East Coast, Wednesday the 23rd of August.

And then I thought to myself, oh, I've got a bit of a break in the day.

The kids are back in school this week, so the house is quiet again.

I will make myself some lunch. I'll sit down, have a leisurely look through what has happened in the world this week.

And then we'll talk about, you know, what else has happened in aviation when we record the podcast this afternoon.

Then I messaged you.

No, so this one came from, unfortunately, it came from somebody sent me the video of what happened and then got to work from there.

So here's what happened. The initial reports were an aircraft crash outside of Moscow near Vaire, I think that's how you pronounce it.

And then the reports started to roll out about who the aircraft was registered to and who may have been on board the aircraft.

So as of the moment, both Russian and international sources, including the BBC, New York Times, and CNN, have confirmed that Wagner Group,

leader Yevgeny Pragoshin, was on board the Legacy 600, which crashed today after departing Moscow and that became my afternoon and

Jason's as well too. I think we've both been following this pretty closely.

So we've downloaded the initial data and then downloaded the raw data for this aircraft.

And it tells the data that's available on the website and the raw data tell slightly different

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