Hello and welcome to episode 189 of Avtoc. I am a much more human sounding Ian Petchnick here as always with... Jason Rabinowitz and as promised today we have a special guest with us, John Auster,

editor-in-chief of The Air Current.

Welcome, John.

Oh God, it's always so good to be with you guys.

So much fun.

Love it, love it, love it.

John, thanks so much for joining the program.

We brought you on today to talk about not just what happened last week, but to kind of expand the conversation and talk about where Boeing sees itself on what they said during their investor day last week, which was their first in a few years

when they brought their vision of the future of the company to the public and to their investors.

But to expand that conversation to talk about kind of macro level, where does

Boeing fit into the future of commercial aerospace and the airplane building business.

So thanks so much for joining us.

Yeah, absolutely.

Where do we begin?

There was so much.

I think the biggest news to come out of the investor day

was kind of a fine point on where Boeing's commercial

business is going or not going for a number of years now, which is to say that CEO David Cohen said that Boeing is not going to build a new

aircraft before the next decade. They're not even going to start designing the new aircraft before the next decade.

And I think they weren't really concerned about getting this plane out the door.

But they weren't not concerned with it. They hadn't been talking about it for years and insinuating that they were going to do it and the middle of the market aircraft was the next thing on their list and now it's very much, the list doesn't even exist.

Well, it's still on the list, but the list just has a bunch of blank spaces in it.

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