Australian Submarine Deal, Asian Security Summit, Blinken in Finland, and More
The World Next Week
Council on Foreign Relations
4.6 • 845 Ratings
🗓️ 1 June 2023
⏱️ 29 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | In the coming week, a UN agency reviews a nuclear submarine deal for Australia. |
| 0:07.0 | The Asian Security Summit known as the Shangri-La dialogue takes place, and U.S. Secretary of State Blinken |
| 0:12.0 | visits new NATO member Finland. It's June 1, 2003, in time for the world next week. I'm Bob McMahon. |
| 0:26.4 | And I'm Carl Ann Robbins. |
| 0:28.5 | Carlo, let's start out by going nuclear. |
| 0:30.5 | And by that I mean nuclear power, of course. |
| 0:33.8 | Next Monday at the International Atomic Energy Agency's Board of Governors' meeting, |
| 0:38.3 | Director General Rafael Grossi will report on the AUcus Submarine Deal. That's the deal in which |
| 0:43.4 | the United States and United Kingdom help equip Australia's Navy with nuclear-powered submarines. |
| 0:49.0 | So why is the IAEA getting involved in reviewing and reporting on this? |
| 0:53.6 | So, Bob, when the AUKIS deal, and I love that term, was first announced in 2021, all of our |
| 1:00.0 | attention was on two things. |
| 1:01.7 | You know, how much it was strategic challenge would this pose to China and how much it really |
| 1:06.7 | infuriated the French. |
| 1:08.2 | As I'm sure you recall, the French were supposed to be selling diesel-powered |
| 1:11.6 | subs to Australia for more than $60 billion, and Washington and London cut this deal behind Paris's back, |
| 1:18.7 | and it took an enormous amount of groveling by the Biden team to calm Macron down, but they didn't |
| 1:23.3 | give them a taste of the deal, and this was going forward. What got very little attention at the time, |
| 1:28.6 | even, you know, I'm a nuclear nerd, were the arms control implications. We need to reinforce the |
| 1:35.2 | point. These are nuclear-powered submarines. They're not submarines carrying nuclear weapons. But their |
| 1:41.5 | nuclear reactors use weapons-grade fuel, in other words, fuel that could be used |
| 1:46.8 | in a nuclear weapon. The Chinese not surprisingly cried foul, claiming that the deal is a violation |
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