As you probably notice, this month, we're bringing you our Life of Purpose series and revisiting

some of our most transformative episodes. Tune in to explore expert insights and practical

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recaps of the key ideas in each interview, but at the end of the series, you'll receive our free Life of Purpose ebook. What you have to do is go to UnmistakableCreative.com slash LifePurpose. Again, that's unmistakablecreative.com slash life purpose. It's been a while. Thank you for having me back. It is absolutely. I mean, I think right before we hit record, you were saying it's been six years.

I think that I interviewed you right around the time

we rebranded the show as unmistakable creative. And we were talking about Steal like an

artist. You've had two other books since then, show your work and keep going. As I was saying,

keep going is probably my absolute favorite one. And I've always appreciated your rawness and, you know, realness about the creative life.

But before we get into your work, I want to start by asking you a question which has nothing to do with it because that's how I started interviews, as you know.

And that is, what religious or spiritual beliefs were you raised with and how did those end up impacting your life?

I was raised to Methodist. So it was very, I went to church every Sunday. And, you know, the Methodists are pretty chill. It feels a little bit like a business meeting sometimes, you know, the Methodists are pretty chill.

It's, it feels a little bit like a business meeting sometimes, you know, like donuts and coffee in the parlor.

And so I was, you know, I was a, I was a, I was an altar.

It's not really an altar boy, but like, you know, I like, I was an usher.

You know, I was in the choir.

I was confirmed, like, in sixth grade, you know.

My mom still goes to that church.

So I grew up with a very, like, grew up with, um, my, my, uh, paternal grandmother is, is, is intensely, uh, religious. And I always felt like, you know, she's kind of my line to the big man when I was growing up.

Um, I don't think of it as a big man anymore.

That was just when I was growing up.

But I love that you asked this question because I literally was the other day thinking I would

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