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hey everybody, welcome to another episode of this weekend Startups. We had a

great time having Dara, Cazro, Shahi on the podcast from Uber recently and we

talked a little bit about how Uber had sold their self-driving unit to Aurora

a company that was founded by today's guest. The CEO and co-founder of Aurora is

with us today. His name is Chris. Hermeson, welcome to the program Chris. Thanks

for having me. Glad to be here. Yeah, it's great to have you on. Now people may or

may not know this, but you are kind of a legend in self-driving. You were

part of DARPA's self-driving contests. I think that was in the early

odds. When did that program start? And maybe you could explain to people what

your participation was and why DARPA was doing the self-driving challenges and

how absolutely pathetic and insane looking self-driving was back in 2007.

Yeah, so back then self-driving wasn't even really the way we talked about it. We

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