I'm John Bachelor with very very Cobbly,

editor and publisher of Defense and Foreign Affairs

and a very, very happy Australian from Western Australia, which is the home we're told of

pillar one of aukus pillar two is to be determined but is technology and

uncrewude technology.

Along the way, however, there are conversations underway

and I need Gregory's interpretation.

The President of the Philippines, Mr. Marcos,

the Prime Minister of Japan, Mr. Kishida. of the We can presume Aukas and yet I'm not sure how that fits altogether. We're also told that South

Korea in conversation with Japan last year at Camp David that may fit into AICUS. What is the big thinking about AICUS? Is it growing

in its acronyms or is this a series of bilaterals with the U.S US that will all knit together?

It's not just a series of bilaterals with the US,

it's a series of bilaterals with Australia

and with the UK separately.

Japan, for example, has extensive bilateral technology transfer agreements,

particularly relating to the next

the sixth generation fighter, which the UK and Japan

and Italy are jointly building.

The pillar one of Orkis was to get the question of Australia's submarine program

underway with the transfer of nuclear propulsion technology is going to Australia.

That's underway and that's the core of bringing the three powers together the US, UK and Australia.

However, that's one thing which other powers are not necessarily going to be involved in.

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