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And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

Before we get started with our guests this week, that's Paul Dale Roberts, I want to mention there's

somebody on Facebook who keeps saying no UFO shows. Now, when we have Paul Dale Roberts, Tim,

you know he's a Fordian investigator who looks at all things paranormal, which includes

demons to cryptids to UFOs.

So let's do this, okay?

Because this person says they don't want UFOs, Paul, we'll start with UFOs just to satisfy that need.

My first experience with UFOs was actually in 1976, and I was living with a young lady

named Helen Ling, and it was in Sacramento, California.

And I was watching TV, and I can tell you, I was watching Dick Van Dykes the comic.

I can still remember that.

And she came screaming into the apartment and she said just 200 feet above her head was a UFO hovering over her head.

I thought she was just making up a story. And I said, well,

Helen, I said, if you really saw a UFO, I said, let's go down to the police station, to the sheriff's office, and make a report. She goes, okay, let's do it. So we went down to the sheriff's office and make a report. She goes, okay, let's do it.

So we went down to the sheriff station, and they said, well, we have an 800 number.

You can use our telephone.

You call the 800 number and make your report.

And that 800 number was a center of UFO studies in Chicago Illinois, Dr. Allen Heineck.

Helen and I, we eventually, we broke up, I get a phone call, and on the phone is Dr.

Alan Heineck.

And Dr. Allen Heinek says, Paul, he goes, let me talk to Helen.

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