Dear citizens of Sophie Land, this is your leader, Sophie Hagen.

I'm going to tell you a little bit of news, and then I will let you listen to the episode

in approximately 100 seconds.

I am going to take my brand new show called, I think some of this is my fault, to Melbourne,

Sydney, Perth and Brisbane in Australia, Auckland and Wellington in New Zealand, the Edinburgh

French this August, and then Copenhagen, Udunzer Orhus in Denmark, Auckland and Wellington in New Zealand, the Edinburgh Fringe this August, and then

Copenhagen, Udunzer Ours in Denmark, Malmue, Juttaberg in Stockholm and Sweden, and Berlin and

Rotterdam. And all of those tickets are available right now. And I can't wait for you all to see

this show. I hope you like it. And I hope to meet you. Of course I hope to meet you.

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start working on getting some bonus content out as well as I thank you. But as for now,

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Sophie Land and I hope you love it here.

Please enjoy the episode.

Auburie Gordon, podcaster, author, do you go by activist?

Not usually in my credits, but like I tried to, you know what I mean like sure man sure yeah yeah

yeah I mean I think you are but I feel weird about it I feel like if people call you not

not for you but for me I'm like I'm I'm stepping away from the label now because I feel like

like no no that's that's a perfect person doing the right thing, and I need to not wear that happen. Yeah, I can understand that. I would say my reticence around it is much more around, like, having been full time in it and not being full time anymore. So I'm like, oh, that feels like stolen valor. I've been out for like 10 years. I don't get to claim. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. It feels a bit like, like I, I, I, I once walked through a mall wearing a nice coat, so now I'm a model. I'm like, no, I don't think I can claim that right now. Not in a world where Greta exists. I don't think actually. That's right. That's right. I'm so happy to have here. We were just talking about glasses,

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