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🗓️ 10 November 2021
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Sofie talks to Rabia Chaudry about boundaries, saying no, marriage, shame, courage, Serial, advocacy, podcasts, law school, innocence cases, faith, justice, navigating trolls, true crime, change, activism, and getting religious inspiration from female scholars.
Content Warning: COVID, criminal justice system, medical system, death, bereavement, therapy, emotional and physical abuse, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, abusive relationships, violence, physical violence, cycles of abuse and violence, childhood trauma, murder, prison, 9-11, Islamophobia, burnout, online abuse, mental health issues, Trump, racism, poverty, sexual assault
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0:00.0 | I don't even call it a dust system anymore. I call it the carceral system because it's really |
0:04.2 | just a mechanism to lock people up. It makes billions of dollars for people. Our carceral system |
0:09.2 | makes people rich and it destroys families and communities and generations of people in this country. |
0:15.5 | And so maybe because I am a person of faith, I don't believe in justice in this world ultimately. |
0:21.1 | Sometimes it happens. It can be very satisfying at the end of the day. When we leave this world, |
0:26.1 | we will be entering another world and there will be divine justice there. I don't know if I |
0:30.4 | could believe anything else. The world would feel so unfair. Life would feel so unfair, but it |
0:34.6 | will allow myself to say what goes around will eventually come around. This is who helped you. |
0:46.0 | A podcast with me, Sophie Agan, talking to interesting people. We still don't have a jingle, |
0:51.2 | so this will have to do. If you are aware of podcasts and something tells me that you are, |
0:56.5 | there's a good chance that the first time you heard about the concept was when the true crime |
1:00.5 | podcast serial first came out in 2014. It covered the case of Adnan Saeed and questioned whether or |
1:08.8 | not he had been wrongly accused for the murder of his ex-girlfriend Haiman Lee. By 2016, it had |
1:15.9 | more than 80 million downloads and it was on everyone's lips. Did Adnan do it? Is he guilty? |
1:24.3 | When the world was slowly beginning to forget about Adnan, Rabia Childry started the podcast |
1:30.0 | undisclosed, covering the Adnan case. Because Rabia Childry is not just an attorney, |
1:36.4 | she's an attorney and an advocate who works with people who are wrongfully convicted |
1:41.9 | and she grew up with Adnan and knows him well, and she knows that there is no way he did it. |
1:48.1 | Since then, undisclosed has featured many more wrongfully convicted people than Adnan, |
1:53.4 | who is now in his forties and is still in prison, and Rabia has helped many, many people. |
2:00.5 | I was really, really excited that she wanted to talk to me. I'm sure you'll enjoy her as much as I |
2:06.0 | did. You are meeting me in the, I guess, the beginning of summer outside of the D.C. |
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