All right. How are we starting this? I didn't. I'm starting it. Okay. You're the host man. All right. Well here we go.

All right, so hey everybody we're doing something extremely special today and I am genuinely

exceedingly excited about it and so I teased last episode that we would have a little surprise coming up and a little treat is I think what I called it and it's actually more than a little treat. It's a big treat. So today we have a special

guest, but not one special guest. We have two special guests. So here we have today

Ben Cohen who is Senior Software Engineering manager for the SWIFT team

and Holly Borlo, the SWIFT Language Engineering Manager.

We are in the presence of greatness and I don't know how we ended up here

but I'm happy about it.

So thank you Ben and Holly for being here. I know I speak for all three of us in saying we are extremely

excited and lucky. So thank you. Thank you very much for having us on. Of course.

So interviewees very often. And actually just this morning I was watching your video which was

very good and we'll talk about that but but I guess Holly if you don't mind if you

would if you wouldn't mind starting would you give me the nickel tour of who you

are and what you do I mean I know but not everyone knows so who are you and what do you do for Apple?

Sure yeah my name's Holly I'm the engineering manager of the Swift Language team like like you just said

my team focuses a lot on the user-facing language

features like the generic system, type inference, and this year our major focus

has been the concurrency model and specifically data-race safety and SWIFT-6. Before Race Safety in SWIFT Six.

Before I joined the SWIFT team, I was a SWIFT programmer working on X-code and before that I was

a computer science student at the University of Michigan.

That's incredible.

And Ben. Yeah, so my name's Ben Cohen and I managed the Swift team overall so that that includes

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