Hello, and welcome to this random special small update pep talk episode of Bodies Behind the Bus.

I am joined by my amazing friend, Lori Adams Brown, today.

And we are going to have a conversation.

Welcome, Lori.

Thank you.

It's great to talk to you, not under these circumstances, but it's always great to talk a conversation. Welcome, Lori. Thank you. It's great to talk to you, not under these

circumstances, but it's always great to talk to you. Yeah, I love getting Lori's insight,

and I love hearing her perspective, especially when it feels like everything is chaotic in

Western evangelical spaces.

And I'm pretty sure most of our listeners would be aware that just the news cycle out of

Western evangelicalism has been so chaotic and wild.

The past probably this whole year, 2024 has just been a rough year.

So I was just noticing how exhausted I personally have been feeling. And then I was telling Lori, so many of the people I know that are

doing advocacy work are so tired right now. And I was pinpointing the things that were making me

the most exhausted. And I asked Lori

if she felt like these were good things to talk about. And we felt like maybe it would be good and

helpful for all of us to have this little conversation. So with that, should we just dive right in,

Lori? Let's go. Let's go for it. Let's go. All right. So,

number one, if you're tired and you are a survivor or an advocate, just know you are not alone.

We are all exhausted. But I guess I'll give a little tiny, just piece of, like, encouragement to all of us to start.

Dave Pittman, amazing survivor, incredible advocate.

He has spoken up and done a ton of work for sexual abuse within the SBC.

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