Some people were dragging her and I said, good for you.

Well, let's get to work because you got a lot to help fix.

Hi, everyone.

Welcome to How to Not Lose Your Shit.

I'm LaFonda Cousin, a part-time yoga instructor, self-care advocate,

and the chief people officer here at Red Wine and Blue. And I'm Katie Paris,

the founder of Red Wine and Blue. So the news out of Minneapolis has been so incredibly hard to watch.

ICE murdered another American citizen just on Saturday. I don't know how anyone is not losing their shit right now. I am losing it over and over again. Saturday was really, really hard for me. So it was really great to talk to Melinda Hale about how she's doing. She's a singer, an actress, an activist, and the executive director of the new evangelicals. We had a really

honest conversation about Minneapolis and race and religion and how we can talk to people who are

finally shifting away from MAGA after what they saw happen this weekend in real time. So, Katie,

how are you feeling after this weekend?

Well, first I want to say LaFonda, thank you for doing the interview solo with Melinda

Hale. I was out and, you know, so I just appreciate you covering the interview and it was,

it was such a beautiful interview and I'm really glad actually that you

all were able to have that conversation or able to share with our listeners the conversation

about ICE killing Alex Prattie a 37 year old white man and ICU nurse and but to hear that conversation through the lens of two black women, who, you know,

as Melinda said, you know, we've been saying for a while, listen to black women.

We've been saying this for a while.

We've got to get organized, y'all.

This is, this is real in our country and we need to confront it.

And I loved how she talked about,

you know, listening to black women, sometimes that can sound like an activist mantra or something.

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