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From Nice Guy Productions World Headquarters overlooking the glamorous San Fernando Valley,

I'm Mick Garrison, this is the fun-size edition of Postmortem AMA where you can ask me

anything and your conduit through which you ask your questions is our estimable producer Joe Russo,

producer Joe, how are you? I am doing great, Mick. How are you? I'm very well better than I have

any right to be. Well, I hope you had a fun Halloween and I've got weirdly this is going to be a

different kind of episode. Okay. We got a question a couple weeks ago and I've been saving it for

this specific instance because we had a banger of an October. I mean, we had guests after guests

after guests and I hope our fans enjoyed it. But I saved this question specifically because last

week was an anniversary, a milestone anniversary of one of your old projects, the 25th anniversary

of Michael Jackson's Ghosts. And one of the questions we got over the course of the last few

weeks that I've been saving was, Mick, would you ever have wanted to direct the music video?

And I felt what a great way to open up a conversation where you and I could talk about your experience

working on Ghosts. Sure. And it's something I've never spoken in detail about because it has

such a fractured history and a very complicated history and one that is difficult to unravel in

just a couple of minutes. Well, and we're going to unravel it in a little more than a couple of

minutes. So let's go back to the beginning. And I think that would trace us all the way back to

the early 80s, where you first encountered the King of Pop on his other music video that your

friend John Landis directed Thriller. Tell us a little bit about that. Okay, well, John and I have

been friends since my office was next to his when I was answering store phones for the original

Star Wars in 77. And he was prepping animal house. We've talked about that.

When he made Thriller, he invited me and my wife Cynthia to be zombies in that, which we did. And

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