Rachel Gunn character I was telling you about with the breakdancing, you know, you get this person up here on a performance, they're horrible, and we all wonder why nobody ever told him they were horrible.

Instead, everybody's like, you're great, you're wonderful, you're're amazing and then they come under the national

stage and they embarrass themselves and everybody else.

Wouldn't the more compassionate thing be hey you're not good at this I'm not saying you

can't be but I'm saying that your level of performance isn't where it needs to be for you to perform at this stage that you're attempting to stand on.

You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly

chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

This is your life, this is who you are, this is who you will become at the end of the day,

and after all is said and done you can call yourself a man.

Wayne, what's up man? It's been a long time since I've had the same person other than Kip

appeared twice in two consecutive weeks on the Order Man podcast man glad you're here.

Yeah, thanks for having me. How was it last week? Was it weird? Was it uncomfortable? I mean obviously you've

been in front of cameras and talking with people, but for some reason, we get a little

weird when we get behind this microphone.

Yeah, it is a little different knowing I'm being recorded.

I used to do concerts so I do live

production when I chose that industry. It was the live aspect on purpose because the

recorded one was you could always listen to it and tweak it and kind of analyze it.

When you're at a rock show, it was as good as it was that night and everybody there is usually

drunk, so it doesn't matter.

Well, that actually might be a little value add if our audience was drunk and wouldn't have to listen to our

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