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The Bulwark Podcast

Ashley St. Clair and Cameron Kasky: Leaving the MAGA Cult

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

4.6 • 11.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2026

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

A former MAGA influencer who saw the underbelly of the immense power and wealth around this administration says never-Trumpers should show compassion for people who are now feeling betrayed by him—and who are starting to have second thoughts about the cult they joined. Ashley, who is the mother of one of Elon's kids, also tells Tim that an increasing number of MAGA women are waking up to the fact that they've been used as pawns in the movement. Plus, Ric Grenell's desperate effort to land a job with Trump, the role of AIPAC in Tuesday's Illinois Democratic primary, and a pending congressional resolution on the West Bank.

Cam Kasky and Ashley St. Clair join Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Buller podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We have a double header for you today of former child activists or youth activists in politics.

0:25.0

In segment two, it's my old buddy Kam Kasky off the campaign trail.

0:28.6

He's working on a bill in Congress, I want to talk to him about.

0:32.9

But up first, she was a former right-wing influencer with TPSA and others and a writer. She's also the mother of one of

0:40.3

of the young must children. It's Ashley St. Clair and who apparently watches the Bullwark podcast.

0:45.8

And, you know, we're, we're meeting now. This is our first meet. We've been DMing. How's it going,

0:51.3

Ashley? It's going. My mother is also a big fan of the Bullwark podcast. Oh, really? Yes, she is. So I appreciate you guys holding space for the more moderate. Where does she live? Where are you from? I don't actually even know. She's in Colorado now, but we are not from Colorado, but a lot of my family is out there. My people. Yeah. We're all transplants in Colorado. She'll be seeing Erica Kirk visiting the Air Force Academy.

1:11.5

Oh, Lord. not from Colorado, but a lot of my families out there. My people. Yeah. We're all transplants in Colorado. She'll be seeing Erica Kirk visiting the Air Force Academy.

1:14.3

Oh, Lord.

1:15.1

Okay.

1:15.5

Well, much to get into on TPUSA.

1:17.5

For people who don't know who are like, oh, my God, I just heard that introduction.

1:22.2

I've never heard Ashley Sinclair's name.

1:23.8

And we have viewers and listeners who are not on social media, you know, who are not following the influencer wars on the right. And so for those folks, like, give us the first date.

1:36.7

How did you emerge? What is your, what's your villain origin story? My villain origin story is I

1:43.0

started really on campus with these campus groups like Young Americans for Liberty as soon as I got into college, freshly 18.

1:51.1

And then I got involved with Turning Point and I was tweeting and it just kind of snowballed from there.

1:57.2

It was within a few months that I was invited to my first turning point event,

2:01.5

that I was meeting Charlie Kirk, that I was doing events in Colorado. And then it just

2:06.9

snowballed. So where were you on campus? I was in Colorado, University of Colorado in Colorado Springs.

2:14.7

So it was a smaller campus and there was, you know, some appeal to the provocateur nature of

2:21.3

rolling a free speech ball around campus.

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